SVART FRAMTID- 1984 7″EP (X-Port Plater, Norway, 1984)
This is one of the best european HC records and although I don’t spin the only EP by Norway’s SVART FRAMTID twice a week anymore (like I used to do), it’s still got a lot of charme. Just read the lyrics to the song “Religios Terror” and almost felt a bit nostalgic: Seems like songs against religion these days would rather be directed against those Taliban, Hamas and El-Qaida creeps. Best song is “Disipline” – a minor classic, followed by “17 Milliarder” which has some intersting guitar bits towards the end.
A couple of years ago, the prices for all X-Port Plater releases were exorbitantly high and I always wondered what the cause for the short-lived hype was. Even a bootleg LP that compiled them EPs went for a ridiculous amount of money.
The cover is actually a pretty posh foldout thing, but I’m too lazy (hungover, to be frank) to get the entire thing scanned.
Here’s a weird SVART FRAMTID video from youtube. Seems to be coming from some TV-show.
For more in a similiar vein, you should check out BARN AV REGNBUEN.
Religios Terror.mp3
Disiplin.mp3
Systematikk.mp3
Nar Bomba kommer.mp3
17 Milliarder.mp3
De tror det blir bedre.mp3
justin wrote:
Perfect man, this hits the spot. Funny how I was just listening to the Subhumans, “Religious Wars”. Is the problem in Islam the religious differences or who has control. Creeps is a good word, but you gotta give a guy credit who puts his money where his mouth is and is willing to blow himself up.
You know what works well for hangovers, is to wake up and immediately start drinking again. The only sure fire cure and after a while you don’t have to worry about hangovers at all, you’re just drunk all the time. Ah…have any rare unheard of stuff from Disorder for your next post?
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 1:13 am | Permalink
Sean wrote:
The cover is a manipulated picture of a famous painting of cherubs (I used to sell pre-matted copies at an art store I once worked at). The Japanese band Framtid also did a piss-take of this cover art.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 1:14 am | Permalink
Clinton wrote:
That video is impressive. The guy with the inverted cross on his forehead doing back-ups sounds like he could have been the singer for Betong Hysteria.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 4:59 am | Permalink
Jay Thurston wrote:
Great record…thanks!!!
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 6:17 am | Permalink
Admin wrote:
Justin: Like always, the problem in religion is not really religion (however tasteless it seems to me to be religious), it’s the politics. These islamo-fascists (don’t like the term fascist in here, but how could you express deeper detestation?) struggle for power, better yet – sovereignty. All these “religious wars” are always about power and not about theological issues; a simple yet enlightening fact that for instance most punk bands never really understood.
Forgot to mention how much I love the slow middle part in the video track. Awesome! And so is the inverted cross on Betong Hysteria’s singer. Killer!!!!
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 9:26 am | Permalink
Clinton wrote:
Oh. So it really is the Betong Hysteria singer with the inverted cross doing back-ups. Killer!!!!! is correct.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 10:19 am | Permalink
elliott wrote:
pretty good but i’m not in the mood right now. now some metal/grind would be good. norway has some great hc.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 11:29 am | Permalink
Jochen wrote:
I don’t think that you can differentiate the will to power from the theological issues when it comes to religious fanatics like Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. For them religion is not a con, designed to trick the ignorant into submission, but a set of rules by which social life has to be organized, not because it’s reasonable to do so, but because the Almighty himself, the heavenly master they decided to obey without reservations, told us to. And that’s exactly what the Taliban did, when they had gained power in Afghanistan in the mid-nineties: They used their power to instal a regime to force the population into obedience to the rules of their brand of ‘true Islam’ … no priestly fraud here. – And after all: Is there any other way to really settle theological disputes but to resort to violence? The reason why the stake and the thumbscrew have been Christianity’s main “arguments” for centuries is only a logical consequence of the theoretical quality of the faith’s content. – Or does anybody have a convincing argument for the Trinity or the virgin birth?
What the islamists do, is this: They simply take religion seriously; and I mean as religion – i.e. the one and only truth about the nature of the world; and discontent as they are with the status quo in their homecountries and armed with the conviction and selfrighteousness so characteristic for religious people, the step to use violence to force the holy truth into wordly existence is not so difficult to make. – It’s pretty odd for westeners to see this, because for most religious folks in the West religion is just some kind of psychological medicine, a strictly-personal belief to derive comfort and steadiness from when needed and not something to get furious about. Plus, the representatives of organized religion in the West have accepted that they have lost their power to lay down society’s laws to the state and that their business nowadays is that of providing psychological services to the ones who are looking for them.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 2:12 pm | Permalink
Admin wrote:
That’s a good point, Jochen. I would never say that religion’s just a con or a vehicle, a tool. Of course they do take religion very seriously and so should we. But as I said, in the end, it’s a question of power and not a theological debate. – Do you happen to know whether there are original texts from Taliban or Qaida available? I often wonder what these groups political standpoint is like in detail, for instance which role issues such as “race” or “ethnicity” play, how they connect the suicide mission thing to a concept of (material; biological) “life” and such.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
Jochen wrote:
Of course there are tons of propaganda, messages and statements one can find on the internet (for example on the website of the Taliban, alemarah.info), but I don’t know if they have something like a manifesto; at least I’ve never heard of it and I doubt that they need one: According to them everything of importance is to be found in the Koran and the concept of Jihad is not something you need to study, like the writings of Hobbes, Rousseau or Marx, but a moral duty that every godfearing muslim feels immediately (or at least he should …).
The writings of Sayyid Qutb are said to have had a major impact on the Al-Qaeda-leaders and there’s also a German edition of one of his books (“Dieser Glaube der Islam”, published in Zürich (!) by Indo-Oriental Publishing), but I haven’t read it and can’t tell if it really serves to clear up your questions.
As far as “race” or “ethnicity” are concerned, I doubt that they play any role for the islamists … those are pretty much european categories, and judging from what the jihadists do, the question whether one thinks that Ali was the legitimate successor of Mohamed or not seems to be of much greater importance than something like skin color … in fact, with the photos of Al-Qaeda’s members and allies one could easily assemble a dark version of a ‘united colors of benetton’-ad, with people form Arabia, Pakistan/India, China, sub-Saharan Africa and other places.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 6:11 pm | Permalink
Admin wrote:
I know I can find these writings on the net, but I was hoping for some sort of a printed source, Jochen. So far, I’ve only read one monography on the subject and that was Lawrence Wright’s “Looming Tower” ["Der Tod wird euch finden"]; a good read, methinks. You find the Qutb references there too. – I don’t think it’s very fruitful to call »race« and »ethnicity« “european categories”, as much as the vague concepts of islamists are anything but “non-european” (not too sure about attaching geographical tags to political categories anyway). But that just on a side note.
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 6:51 pm | Permalink
francis gerard wrote:
What a great post and what a great debate again although it’s totally off topic
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Posted on 17-Jan-10 at 7:02 pm | Permalink
Simon wrote:
“but you gotta give a guy credit who puts his money where his mouth is and is willing to blow himself up”….uhhhh, no. You really don’t.
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Posted on 18-Jan-10 at 6:32 pm | Permalink
elliott wrote:
i think you do man. someone who will die for what they believe in is way more devoted to what they stand for then most of us. i don’t like religion at all but someone who will die for it isn’t fucking around.
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Posted on 18-Jan-10 at 8:18 pm | Permalink
justin wrote:
Come on now Simon, you don’t find that kind of fanaticism the least bit impressive? Brainwashed, ignorant and completely lacking any decency for innocent human beings, yes. I don’t side with that point of view, but I think we can learn from that. What does a person do when up against a vastly superior force, one in which a man can simply push a button, send in a drone and wipe out a target. I can even see how that is even relevant in our own western societies.
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 2:40 am | Permalink
Sean wrote:
Erich, I believe the religious “debate” here is being over-intellectualized. To me, the religion problem boils down to these points:
1. Fundamentalism
combined with…
2. Extreme lack of education, or even intelligence on the religious radicals.
I take great offense at punks who only wish to assault the “easy” targets such as Christianity (Catholocism was always the greater evil to me anyway), as if it’s “racist” to talk about the insanity perpetrated by Islamic radicals. But whether it be U.S. farmland born-agains or Afghani suicide bombers, they share that previously mentioned commonality of sub-intelligence. You’d HAVE to be stupid or insane to take literay
works such as the bible or the Quoran dead literally, and to enact control on others through those works.
By the way, I’m a non-denominational socialist with strong Buddhist leanings.
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 2:57 am | Permalink
Admin wrote:
Sean, I tend to believe such debates are mostly “under-intellectualized” …. The religious radicals can hardly be called stupid or uneducated (talking about the men in power within these structures, not so much the “killing drones”). But hell yes, the whole thing is much more complex than your 2. steps punk-theory, haha. And buddhism, dude, let me offend you a bit – if I ever knew a religion that makes people idiotic and numb, it would be buddhism.
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 9:18 am | Permalink
elliott wrote:
i tend to think religion is a threat to rational thought. i have problems but i’m not gonna face them i’m just gonna prey that they go away. i focus on christianity because it’s closer to home for me. i come from a very religious family (father’s from texas) so i deal with christians way more than muslems. that’s just me of course. erich i love those debates that get started on your blog man. it’s so cool.
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 1:50 pm | Permalink
What's the Truth? wrote:
Personally, I don’t hate religion, while I’m not religious at all myself. I guess I never went through that particular “punk” phase. Instead, I find religion strangely fascinating, and I spent a lot of time reading about various religions, their histories and the sects within, and I still do from time to time. Maybe my perspective is similar here to Foucault’s as expressed in interviews, articles, and one collection of his work entitled Religion and Culture. I have little use for the metaphysics of different religions, but I think the practices, aesthetics, etc. they generated can be not only interesting, but sometimes even enjoyable.
Plus, one of the most open-minded, rabid critics of religion I ever knew was religious himself (a professor in college…I always thought he was an atheist because of how he ranted about Christianity’s ridiculous contradictions, petty political influences, the damage it’s caused etc, and even went so far as to suggest that “there is no coherent, logical philosophy or teaching to be gained from reading the Bible,”) and it turned out he was a Christian priest!
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 4:43 pm | Permalink
Admin wrote:
Hahaha, WTT: What a nice anecdote and a perfect example for a totally secular religion as a form of an aesthetical and cultural practice. – I tend to believe that Foucault writings on religion were either very naive or then purely sarcastic (as in his admiration of the Iranian fundamentalists rise in the late 70s).
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 4:53 pm | Permalink
What's the Truth? wrote:
Yeah, he was a strange, but very well-read man. Haha when I found out his secret, he told me not to tell anyone, because he thought his students wouldn’t take him as seriously if they knew he was an ordained priest (he was teaching a class on the political histories of Christianity.)
I think you’re right about Foucault and Iran. I definitely don’t agree with all his conclusions, but I can identify with his interest in religion in the same way. This “Religion and Culture” book contains some interesting, more obscure pieces, like this one transcript of an conversation between him and a Zen Buddhist monk in Japan, for example, that were more interesting and less problematic than the whole Iran thing.
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 5:52 pm | Permalink
Admin wrote:
I think I read the conversation transcript between MF and the monk some years ago. Do you happen to have the title at hand? I’m too lazy to browse the four volumes of “Dits et Ecrits”, but I think it could be in vol. 4. Haha, well, never mind – I think I will find it myself. Now I’m too lazy to have this senseless entry erased (laziness as technique of the self).
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 6:44 pm | Permalink
justin wrote:
Ha, ha, a budhist hater yes, I don’t know about how lazy you are. I’d be interested in reading where your opinion of Budhism comes from (unusual religion to put under the chopping block, there are so many easy ones). I like the term Islamo-fascists (paints a good picture), although it’s sad because historically there were points where Islam was a very tolerant religion. You were talking about the politics involved, which made me remember that one of my textbooks on Islam was called, Mohammed: Prophet and Statesman. Killed most of the brain cells containing anything of value I might have gained from it, but I remember it being a good read. Interesting how religious leaders are very political and how politicians claim to be religious.
What’s the deal with you and WTT? Every discussion always ends up with Focault.
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 9:31 pm | Permalink
Admin wrote:
The discussion actually should start up with Foucault
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Posted on 19-Jan-10 at 9:52 pm | Permalink
Steve wrote:
You’re a Zio-Punk! Where is all this “islamo-fascism”?
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Posted on 20-Jan-10 at 6:58 pm | Permalink
Admin wrote:
Yes, in your antisemitic dreamworld, I’m indeed a Zionist. But never again, my little fascist friend, call me Punk again!
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Posted on 20-Jan-10 at 7:33 pm | Permalink
999 wrote:
great – bonehead time again. i’ve been missing the dorks.
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Posted on 20-Jan-10 at 11:14 pm | Permalink
Jon wrote:
Great 7″!
Btw, the video is from the 1984 film “Du har ikke en sjans – ta’n” (translates to something like “You don’t have a chance – take it”) by Norwegian director Jarl Emsell Larsen.
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Posted on 23-Jan-10 at 5:11 pm | Permalink
Svart Framtid Fan wrote:
I love this band! I know i’ll never find this record in my lifetime , and ive been dying to see the art in the poster please post it! thanks.
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Posted on 03-Feb-10 at 7:54 am | Permalink
ungreatfulguest wrote:
thx for sharing! great!
could you make the lyrics insert and cover art clickable to be viewed at a larger size ?
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Posted on 04-Feb-10 at 3:48 am | Permalink
Admin wrote:
Thumbnails should now be enlargeable.
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Posted on 04-Feb-10 at 10:47 am | Permalink
dude from norway wrote:
To SVART FRAMTID FAN:
http://nopunkhc.blogspot.com/2008/07/svart-framtid-religis-diskografi.html
there’s most of what you’ll find other than music from this great band.
you should serch svart framtid on youtube now, a friend of mine just uploaded lots of “undiscovered” live tracks
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Posted on 08-Feb-10 at 9:10 pm | Permalink