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B.G.K.- White male Dumbiance 7″EP (Vögelspin Records, Holland, 1984)

«These are the rules:
First you go to school
then you get yourself a wife
and work for the rest of your life.»

To-the-point Hardcore from when this music still had relevance. In your fucking face power and aggression, no kidding around, serious shit. B.G.K. was one of the angriest bands I’ve seen live: The energy level was on top, they ripped through their set with ferocity and passion and never without a bit of self-irony. Hardcore died a rapid and fairly well deserved death in the years of decline in 1986 and overall has been nothing but a ludicrous attempt in history re-enactment ever since. What a pity actually: The late 70s / first half of the 80s had a massive impact on the life of so many, even though the majority followed the quoted “Rules” above. I didn’t and sometimes, with all the doubts and second thoughts that follow like a shadow, I’m happy that I’m not the only one. How bizarre to expect nothing else from life than empty formulas such as happiness, success, wealth, harmony, peace and quiet, be that in marriage, family, job, religion, ideologies or else. Fuck it all, to hell with it!

Thw complete B.G.K. discography has been re-released on Alternative Tentacles. It’s well worth having. The first LP is very much in the same vein as this, a smoker from a to z, but the second LP “Nothing can go worng” is where it’s at, really.
Don’t just download music – support those who made and make culture happen by buying official releases!

Gone mad.mp3
Action Man.mp3
Kids for Cash.mp3
Crime pays.mp3
Rules / White male Dumbiance.mp3
Bite the Hand that feeds.mp3
Follow the Trend.mp3


  1. Per Thunell

    Erich…Great to see you post B.G.K.
    One of the best european bands, ever. The Dutch and Italian scene at that time was just amazing…do you know what the b.g.k.guys did afyer b.g.k did break-up?
    Hail Erich


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 06:20 | Permalink
  2. Hi Per – great seeing you leave a comment 🙂

    The only thing I know is that the drummer moved to Zürich and we shared a practice room during 2003 during the sad and pathetic Fear Of God reunion thing. I often played on his drumkit and pretended to be a real B.G.K. drummer, which of course I’m not (“unhindered by talent” is the catchphrase of my life, it seems).


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 07:02 | Permalink
  3. -‘-Spiderman-‘-

    amazing!!! I been under the impression that BGK were some sort of crust band somehow. but this is absolutely not the case as I just learned. wow!!!!!!!!


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 07:41 | Permalink
  4. Ha ha ha I was going to do a repost of this one TODAY LOL :D!!


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 08:07 | Permalink
  5. Ryan

    This is excellent. I think I’ll be buying the comp soon.


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 09:29 | Permalink
  6. I’d wanted to check out BGK for a long time, but never had the opportunity. Thanks for the post!


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 09:36 | Permalink
  7. Jay Thurston

    BGK were an incredible band…thanks!!


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 09:42 | Permalink
  8. jeff

    that’s the real stuff! and great words as always. saw them on the u.s. tour in 85 or 86. man they blew me away!

    weren’t you somehow involved in the bootleg release of this 7″?



    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 09:47 | Permalink
  9. great stuff, not Cirith Ungol-great but then what is? And yes I have checked out Slough Feg, so great!

    Wasn´t the boot with green cover? I think I had one.


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 10:10 | Permalink
  10. Indeed, I was involved in the first vinyl boot pressing of this with the b&w cover, very professionally done. How do you know, Jeff? I supplied my copy for reproduction purposes (yes, the one that’s posted here).

    Pär: I was soooo close to posting more MEtal, but I think the HC readers would feel a bit pissed and since this blog only follows one educational direction, that is to show how senseless the dividing line between great metal and great hc / punk is, I’m trying hard to keep the attention of everybody ….. 😉


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 10:19 | Permalink
  11. Funny Erich I was just thinking I really hadn’t seen very much BGK posted out there. Thanx for educating.


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 11:08 | Permalink
  12. behjan

    they surely listened and loved SSD “Get it away” and the almighty “Jan´s Rooms” by THE FIX quite alot ,and this 7″ep is the result of that( to my ears).


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 11:52 | Permalink
  13. Per Thunell

    I understand…would be like a wet dream. You dont know what the name of the band was? or was it that crappy you dont recall the name?? Btw…I didnt know you did a F.O.G.-reunion…


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 15:22 | Permalink
  14. SwePete

    I followed the rules. I´m happy and B.G.K. is still great to this day! This little number and the Agent Orange 7″s brings a smile to my face every time I hear them.


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 17:25 | Permalink
  15. SwePete

    @SwePete. If you could not post anything substantial you should not post at all. Fuck Off!!!


    Posted on 22-Nov-08 at 17:29 | Permalink
  16. Jerry B

    One of the best ever… a memories, thanks for turning me into a sentimental pile of misery


    Posted on 23-Nov-08 at 02:28 | Permalink
  17. Adamski

    Yes!!! What a great band! I heard there’s a third LP recorded (minus the vocals) that was never released. Such a pity, but then maybe not, as they may have ruined their reputation.
    I have the bootleg copy that you were involved with, Erich, & it WAS a very proffesional effort. Were you also involved in the “It’s All Been Said Before…” 7″ compilation with BGK, State, Urban waste, etc?
    I take it you don’t listen to any new hardcore bands then, since you think it’s all a “historical re-enactment society”? Well, what about the metal bands of today? You seem to like them? What’s the difference?


    Posted on 23-Nov-08 at 04:38 | Permalink
  18. @ Adamski: That 7″ boot comp. also came from Switzerland, but I had nothing to do with it.

    That’s a good question, Adamski: Why not seeing Metal bands of today as history re-enactment? I basically see it the same way (which of course does not apply to old timer bands with a steady output over decades). There are many many, countless even, Metal bands of this sort and I don’t care about them though a few (yet a surprisingly high number) post-80s bands which totally blow me away. The difference I make it a totally personal one: To me, Metal has always been a pure musical thing, even though to me it seemed to be political for the self. Let me try to explain this: It never was so closely linked to social and political movements like Punk and Hardcore. Perfect Metal to me is like a time capsule: It’s a fantasy world where no time exists. Metal doesn’t have to do more to me than to entertain. And since it is not directly inspired by what’s going on in society, not so much at least, because it is a totally escapist way of life, it works so perfectly as a total outsider thing. The Metal I’m talking about has never been a “way of life”, it was for the solitary, under priviledged kinda sleepy head young male.
    I prefer 70s and 80s Metal because that was when I grew up and my life has always been connected to music of sorts. Growing up is the most political period in ones life maybe, so to me even bands like Judas Priest or AC/DC are in a totally subjective manner “political bands”: They were there when I tried to find my own niche in a world that seemed stranger and stranger every day. Switching to Hardcore Punk to me was only logical: You could say these were the years of practice. Political actions, vegetarianism, ideologies, building up your own thing with like minded people: That was it.

    Now all these structures that were part of Hardcore and Punk are well established and part of everyone’s everyday life. We live in a “mainstream of minorities”: There’s a perfectly built niche for just about every style you can think of. What once was in action, was moving, hybrid, surprising, subversive, astonishing has become a dull and lame and reactionary (when speaking about style re-enactment) fad. Hardcore died in the 80s: Some folks say it was in 86 when Metal and HC came together, others say it was a bit later when these genres hit the media big time and the scene changed from a scene of activists and builders to one of consumers. Others see the fall of the berlin wall, the decline of the bi-polar political global situation as one crucial landmark in general cultural history (as you remember, after this the internet etc. etc. sprung out of nowhere). As a historian, I find all of these arguments and several others to be interesting and productive.
    What I can’t stand and never could is the silly sheep who in their blind consumerism turn Hardcore into what I described with the Metal thing: A timeless bubble, where all vanishes in one big, consumer friendly blurr. Fuck, that makes me so sick. History is not one big, endless stretch that comes from nowhere and goes to eternity. The 80s and the 90s are divided by a fractional lines. How big they are will be interesting to see in the near future, when others look back. They will see the re-enactors too, but they won’t link them to Hardcore and Punk (in this context): They will attach them to something completely different.


    Posted on 23-Nov-08 at 05:02 | Permalink
  19. PS: Yes, there is a third B.G.K. lp. It was recorded in the U.S. during the 86 tour and it has no vocals. I had it on tape forever but never really played it. I’m not sure but I think this has been re-released, hasn’t it? If not, I can rip & post it 🙂

    @Per: I don’t remember the band’s name (with the B.G.K. drummer), but it was HORRIBLE, I can tell you that. Just like the 2003 Fear Of God thing.


    Posted on 23-Nov-08 at 05:15 | Permalink
  20. Damn Erich I dig when you get deep 😉 The one liner comedy thing is cool, but when you start getting in depth you really see the passion for music. In a general worldwide sense history is ever changing and slowly unless an asteroid hits the planet. Music history is the same as the music slowly evolves especially when you go “underground” and leave out the “popular” scene. Is it fair to call them movements? Even when they are supposedly dead, some group of guys in a garage are keeping that spirit alive in a creative sense without being an imitation. Scenes and movements are left behind, but mainly in the sense that they have evolved and somewhere the spirit is still alive. When we look back we have the power to reflect in a way that we never could when we were there. I for one am stuck in the past becuase there will never be anything as good as what I was listening to growing up. Some good came from or evolved from hardcore and metal though. Powerviolence and grindcore were the next logical and necessary step to the sellout formula that developed. Even then the passion that was there in those styles was left behind.


    Posted on 23-Nov-08 at 10:56 | Permalink
  21. What's the truth?

    Erich, you are sounding a bit Marxist here!

    As a younger listener, I agree that much of modern metal and punk feels to me like a great deal of nostalgia and historical re-enactment. To see all of these new Thrash Metal bands, where the members attempt to dress exactly like the Thrashers of the 80s (of course, it seems that there was never a particular uniform per say, but the nostalgia for a unitary past has produced one by drawing from disparate elements) and even putting out hand-made zines to mimic the ones from the 80s, even though many of these bands are on labels like Earache and Nuclear Blast!

    Also, I’m really enjoying this release; thanks as always, Erich.


    Posted on 23-Nov-08 at 18:34 | Permalink
  22. What sounds marxist to you, WTT?


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 01:20 | Permalink
  23. ~~~~~~~river««««

    Hats off to you Sir for always finding more to say about the seemingly profane. Totally dig your style and I can’t think of anyone who should be better than you in writing a in-depth history of “harsh” music of the 70s and 80s. Has no publisher yet approached you?


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 02:28 | Permalink
  24. Arno

    B.G.K. means Balthasar Gerards Kommando (named after the guy who assassinated the Prince of Orange in 1584).

    Some info regarding members (I didnt know them personally but friends of mine did/do and I’ve got good ears and a good memory 😉

    Singer René stayed in the US after their 2nd tour and married (I think) the girl who ran Mordam Records. According to stories he’s now a forester.

    Drummer Marcel played in Mauser FK for a while and then relocated to Switzerland as mentioned (there’s some other Dutch punk ‘icons’ living there as well nowadays).

    Guitar player Tony Nitwit started Loveslug (and is now known as Tony Slug) before he re-started The Nitwitz with the old drummer from Deadlock. The last Nitwitz incarnation had Mikey Offender on bass. Not sure if they have plans to start the band again after Mikey died last year.

    [Essentially B.G.K. is The Nitwitz with a new vocalist — the old vocalist Erik started Outrageous at the same time]

    Bass player Matthijs took over when Tony switched from bass to guitar for the 2nd album and now plays for De Kift (he was also in Morzelpronk before and after BGK).


    Also, the untitled track isnt a track, more of an outro to follow the trend.

    The discograpy has the 1st LP (1-20), the 2 songs from the Als Je Haar Maar Goed Zit #2 sampler (21-22), the discography tracklist has as nr 23 Arms Race (unreleased version) but I think this is actually the P.E.A.C.E./W.A.R. comp track. The rest is this EP and the 2nd LP.


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 07:29 | Permalink
  25. @ River: Nope, none ever asked me to write a book about music. A shame!

    @ Arno: Thanks for the info on the members and all. And also for letting us know that track number 9 actually is not a track 😉


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 07:38 | Permalink
  26. Adamski

    Wow Erich! That was a bit of intense writing!! I can see where you’re coming from, but I do still love many of today’s hardcore bands, derivative or not. Once again I think we’ll have to agree to disagree, but much respect to you.
    I’d love to hear a track or two of those BGK tracks from 1986. And no, I don’t think it has been released.
    Arno: You are correct about the BGK discography CD, but you didn’t mention that the last track (“Sad & Saintly [Untitled]”) from their 2nd LP is absent because of lack of time on the CD. Sorry to be so anal!


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 11:19 | Permalink
  27. Thanks Adamski 🙂 Always feel a bit insecure writing in a “deeper manner” because my grasp of the english language is very limited.


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 11:31 | Permalink
  28. I’m still curious about your feelings on what I was talking about with respect to powerviolence (hardcore) and grindcore (metal). I know it’s not that simple though. For example, what do you think of a band like Infest, who were playing after 1986? As far as your grasp of the english language, you have got to be kidding me. Come to where I live in the U.S. so you can really be exposed to some native english speakers who barely grasp the language. My favorite part of this blog is not the rare music but the opinions, facts and insights you share.


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 13:33 | Permalink
  29. I was not fishing for compliments, Justin – but thanks anyway. Still, I’m often thinking of finally taking some sort of english class one day (never had one).
    As for Infest: I released that 12″, you know 😉 I used to like the band in 87/88, but strange it is: I haven’t played their records in years. They seemed much better when they were happening than they’re now. Same for bands like MITB or NEANDERTAL. But it’s totally subjective, as far as taste goes. Relevance in a historical context would be something different.


    Posted on 24-Nov-08 at 13:58 | Permalink
  30. What's the truth?

    Erich: It seems you’ve edited the post a bit from its original incarnation. I was half-joking, but it sounded to me like some Adorno-esque writing, to be more precise (not traditional Marxism, I know, but it seemed funnier to just use the term.) Am I wrong? I have my Adorno moods every now and then myself. This new writing is nice, too, though.

    Also, your English is great, considering you’ve never taken a class. I’m sure your vocabulary is wider than the average American’s, for whatever that’s worth.


    Posted on 25-Nov-08 at 00:14 | Permalink
  31. Sean

    Pennywise meets Siege.

    There…I said it. That’s what I hear and that’s what I’ve always heard in this band. This ep in particular is my fave (“Action man” is THE SHIT!).

    Erich secretly autographed my boot copy! 😉


    Posted on 25-Nov-08 at 05:36 | Permalink
  32. Jay Thurston

    Erich speaks better English than 99% of the idiots in the States!!!!!! That is a fact!


    Posted on 25-Nov-08 at 09:26 | Permalink
  33. timmy

    pennywise???? you suck!!!!


    Posted on 25-Nov-08 at 11:22 | Permalink
  34. kris

    please post the 3rd unreleased BGK LP!!!


    Posted on 09-Sep-09 at 07:12 | Permalink
  35. Francesco

    Tony Slug sad a few years back that Steven, BGK’s first guitarist – played on “Jonestown Aloha!”, is having mental problems and living on the street in Amsterdam…


    Posted on 02-Nov-09 at 04:26 | Permalink
  36. Francesco

    Oh and please post some bits of the 3rd LP!!!


    Posted on 02-Nov-09 at 04:27 | Permalink
  37. sazista

    Did HC die? I wonder that often and also think that it just germinated, left with us that were involved with it, allowing us to become or do something more poignante with our lives, hopefully. I have recently began compiling my old punk collection onto my itunes and find great joy in listening to BGK, Adolescents, Die Kruezen, etc, though I sometimes feel it is all a distant memory and that the original energy connected with it has long dissipated. Who here is going to understand why it seemed so important to me in the 80s? (Even less here, as I now reside in Santiago, Chile!). Is it empty nostalgia? Is it different from listening to some old Coltrane or Billy Holiday tune and remembering what it meant to you and that cultural context?
    Anyhow, I am downloading most of the music that i purchased back in the 80s that is locked away in a box, in an attic, in the US. I have very little of it here. By the way, I was at the BGK, DK, International gig at the Olympic Auditorium in 84. They were fantastic!
    If anyone has any other recordings or photos of America’s Hardcore – A.HC (I played bass) or NatureCore (I sang and played guitar), i would appreciate it.
    ciao, from the southern end of the continent where students stop going to school, strike, and DEMAND free education!


    Posted on 25-Apr-12 at 21:15 | Permalink

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